The Horde Are the Bad Guys Again
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2020-10-24,06:31 PM #one
Banned
Exercise people genuinely remember the Horde is evil?
Don't get me incorrect, I know during WCI & 2 the Horde were the bad guys. Since Vanilla however the Horde were depicted equally a grouping of exiles banding together to survive (something I really liked!). Beyond PvP the disharmonize was mostly border disputes until Cataclysm. Granted Garrosh became a War Criminal but he was bandage out past the Horde. Now evidently Sylvanas is evil and I concur Blizzard did a terrible job regarding the Horde throughout BfA, BUT do people genuinely believe that the Horde were always evil?
Personally I play both factions then naturally accept seen the good, the bad and the ugly side from both sides.
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2020-10-24,06:39 PM #2
Bloodsail Admiral
Honestly I don't see Horde or Brotherhood, I just run into individual races. This arbitary division into Horde and Alliance is the most forced matter ever and exists simply because of gameplay purposes. No, I don't think Horde is evil.
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2020-ten-24,06:41 PM #iii
Banned
Y'all tell me, they committed genocide.
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2020-10-24,06:42 PM #four
Immortal
What else do you telephone call a faction that assists their leader in committing genocide and is perfectly fine to keep following them after?
Information technology feels like Thrall being Warchief was the but affair keeping them in cheque from WC3-WotLK, when Garrosh became main in cata they went full warcrimes and never looked dorsum... Even during WoD when Voljin was warchief they waged an unprovoked preemptive war confronting the Alliance in Ashran over unsubstantiated paranoia that the Alliance were going to assail them with some powerful artifact that they didn't fifty-fifty take, during a fourth dimension when, straight out of the mouths of NPCs in the area, the Brotherhood and Horde had a peace treaty in event.
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2020-10-24,06:49 PM #5
Banned
I mean I concord, it'south unfortunate WoW has factions - - - Updated - - -
Originally Posted by bagina 
Honestly I don't see Horde or Alliance, I just see individual races. This arbitary sectionalisation into Horde and Alliance is the most forced thing ever and exists just because of gameplay purposes. No, I don't think Horde is evil.
I mean Genocide is subjective to the point of view. Alliance was willing to commit genocide with the tauren, the purge of Dalaran, Lordaeron, and confronting other races. The Horde have besides opposed genocide as seen in Stonetalon. Both Teldrassil and Theramore led to Horde rebellion too. Originally Posted by Varodoc You tell me, they committed genocide.
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2020-x-24,06:54 PM #six
Ballsy!
The horde (WoW faction-incarnation ofc.) was as practiced or evil every bit their warchief which meant that in practice it was good-evil-expert-evil (arguably early on Garrosh was neutral, but overal his grapheme turned out evil). Originally Posted by NorthernDragon Don't go me incorrect, I know during WCI & II the Horde were the bad guys. Since Vanilla however the Horde were depicted as a group of exiles banding together to survive (something I really liked!). Across PvP the conflict was more often than not edge disputes until Cataclysm. Granted Garrosh became a State of war Criminal merely he was cast out by the Horde. Now obviously Sylvanas is evil and I agree Blizzard did a terrible job regarding the Horde throughout BfA, Only practise people genuinely believe that the Horde were always evil?
Personally I play both factions so naturally have seen the practiced, the bad and the ugly side from both sides.
Which is why i dig the idea of a council, i retrieve it merely works better for races that are less inclined to tend between practiced and neutral and comprehend more of the moral spectrum.
Though at nowadays the horde does kinda need to take a reconciliatory tone if information technology wants to be viewed as sorta neutral potential allies of convenience again past the alliance (which, i believe, is function of the reason that the shadowlands basically leaves the factions behind for now; it wouldn't believable to accept factions actively and unforcedly cooperate against a world ending threat currently).
Last edited past loras; 2020-x-24 at 06:56 PM.
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2020-ten-24,06:54 PM #7
Scarab Lord
NO !
In Warcraft, both sides are neutral.
That is why you have neutral heroes to aid both sides.
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2020-x-24,06:55 PM #8
Herald of the Titans
I assume this is a reference to Military camp T, the rallying weep of the Horde fans trying to defend their actions. This one at least holds water as an unprovoked assault.The deportment of one woman, serving a neutral arrangement that used an Alliance city as it'south capital letter. She gave them the option of leaving equally well lest you forget. It'due south called the purge considering she removed them, not the massacre of Dalaran.Which fourth dimension? The time that the Alliance attacked for payback for the Wrathgate or the fourth dimension the Alliance attacked for payback of burning the tree?commit genocide with the tauren
Information technology's fine if you lot like the Horde, and it's Blizzards mistake that the writing has shifted in recent years, but they're 100 percentage the "bad" faction at present.
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2020-x-24,07:00 PM #9
Brewmaster
Isn't anybody a little evil in fantasy worlds? Or atleast morally ambiguous..
Neither the Horde or Alliance are good nor evil in my opinion if you see that you're just looking at one thing, one event, not the whole picture
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2020-x-24,07:00 PM #ten
Elemental Lord
If y'all asked me before BFA I would say no, simply afterwards how they just went with the period in Sylvanas'south death to everyone bout it tells me the core of the Horde is simply as bad as the Horde was back in the original Warcraft days...they're roughshod and blood thirsty
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2020-ten-24,07:01 PM #11
Banned
If they were 100% the bad guys we wouldn't have had an expansion involving the Horde undermining Sylvanas and ending with the Horde ousting Sylvanas and her fanatics. Yes they have committed bad deeds, especially throughout BfA (which made no logical sense from a consistent writing pov) Originally Posted by Dakhath I assume this is a reference to Camp T, the rallying cry of the Horde fans trying to defend their actions. This one at least holds water as an unprovoked attack.
The actions of ane woman, serving a neutral organization that used an Alliance city as it's capital. She gave them the option of leaving besides lest you forget. It'due south chosen the purge because she removed them, not the massacre of Dalaran.
Which fourth dimension? The time that the Alliance attacked for payback for the Wrathgate or the time the Alliance attacked for payback of called-for the tree?
Information technology'southward fine if you similar the Horde, and it'due south Blizzards error that the writing has shifted in recent years, but they're 100 per centum the "bad" faction now.
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2020-x-24,07:02 PM #12
Epic!
...The purge of Dalaran? That's like claiming Theramore was a genocide because information technology targetted all those belonging to a subfaction of man. Originally Posted past NorthernDragon I mean I agree, it'south unfortunate WoW has factions
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I mean Genocide is subjective to the indicate of view. Alliance was willing to commit genocide with the tauren, the purge of Dalaran, Lordaeron, and confronting other races. The Horde take also opposed genocide as seen in Stonetalon. Both Teldrassil and Theramore led to Horde rebellion besides.
Nor did the alliance exercise anything (morally) incorrect in Lordaeron; they literally spared the Undercity once (forced by Jaina admittedly) and the second time all unwarranted devastation was squarely to blame on the forsaken leader turning it into a blighted deathtrap.As well camp taurajo was i battle past defectors no less, it was nothing close to annihilation genocidal.
So no good sir, subjectivity provides no embrace for your poor understanding and/or definitions of genocide.
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2020-10-24,07:02 PM #13
Brewmaster
To me players character exist alongside the Factions, we aren't really "their" soldiers simply we will flock to their banner if chosen upon and if nosotros do so concord Originally Posted past xenogear3 NO !
In Warcraft, both sides are neutral.
That is why you accept neutral heroes to help both sides.
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2020-10-24,07:03 PM #14
Banned
Did you not play the War Campaign? Sylvanas had overwhelming pop back up until the very end, when she abdicated as Warchief. The people of the Horde were perfectly fine with following a genocidal psycho. Originally Posted past NorthernDragon If they were 100% the bad guys nosotros wouldn't accept had an expansion involving the Horde undermining Sylvanas and ending with the Horde ousting Sylvanas and her fanatics. Yeah they have committed bad deeds, especially throughout BfA (which made no logical sense from a consistent writing pov)
The funny thing is that Sylvanas wasn't fifty-fifty successful, considering it was mentioned that the Alliance tightened its grip and was posed to finish the war later the Battle of Dazar'alor, to the point that even Nathanos believed information technology was only a matter of weeks earlier an Alliance victory. So y'all can't even say "Well, the Horde people follow Sylvanas because she brings them victory", because she almost led them to defeat.
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2020-10-24,07:03 PM #15
Scarab Lord
Well...yeah. Horde is the bad guys of WoW.
It's like request a star wars fan "do yous run into the sith as evil?". Come on
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2020-10-24,07:06 PM #16
Herald of the Titans
Blizzard turning the Horde evil twice pretty much destroys the entire narrative and purpose of Warcraft 3
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance'due south near popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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2020-10-24,07:06 PM #17
Herald of the Titans
It'southward that fashion because this is a faction based game that has to try to gratify both sides of the money. If it were not, in that location is no reason the Horde wouldn't have been wiped off the map multiple times in the last several expansions. Originally Posted by NorthernDragon If they were 100% the bad guys we wouldn't have had an expansion involving the Horde undermining Sylvanas and catastrophe with the Horde ousting Sylvanas and her fanatics. Yes they have committed bad deeds, especially throughout BfA (which fabricated no logical sense from a consistent writing pov)
UC could have been leveled at the end of Wrathgate
Orgrimmar could have been leveled at the end of SoO.
The Vindicaar could have destroyed anything from low orbit since information technology'southward arrived in the game.
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2020-ten-24,07:08 PM #18
Epic!
Touché. Originally Posted by Dakhath Information technology's that way because this is a faction based game that has to try to appease both sides of the money. If it were not, there is no reason the Horde wouldn't take been wiped off the map multiple times in the concluding several expansions.
UC could have been leveled at the cease of Wrathgate
Orgrimmar could have been leveled at the terminate of SoO.
The Vindicaar could accept destroyed anything from low orbit since it'due south arrived in the game./10chars
This is a signature of an ailing giant, boundless in pride, wit and force.
Yet besides every bit humble as health and sense of humour permit.Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Slam must be destroyed.
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2020-10-24,07:09 PM #nineteen
Blademaster
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2020-10-24,07:09 PM #20
Brewmaster
Hmmm.. And then Gilnean breaking up with the brotherhood considering Lordaeron refused to commit a genocide agains orc, and the brotherhood and the kirin tor trying ane against high elves are and then evil. Originally Posted by Schattenlied What else do you phone call a faction that assists their leader in committing genocide and is perfectly fine to go on post-obit them subsequently?
I played forsaken considering they were assholes. And blood elves later considering they besides were assholes. I might take played human also if they have stayed assholes. Originally Posted by NorthernDragon Don't get me incorrect, I know during WCI & Ii the Horde were the bad guys. Since Vanilla withal the Horde were depicted as a group of exiles banding together to survive (something I actually liked!). Beyond PvP the conflict was more often than not border disputes until Cataclysm. Granted Garrosh became a War Criminal but he was cast out by the Horde. Now obviously Sylvanas is evil and I hold Blizzard did a terrible task regarding the Horde throughout BfA, BUT do people genuinely believe that the Horde were always evil?
Personally I play both factions so naturally have seen the good, the bad and the ugly side from both sides.
Some people don't like to play a random good prince from a kid fairytale and like people with convictions other than "being good is nice"Concluding edited past Tarba; 2020-10-24 at 07:13 PM.
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